What happened there?

This was a really sort of pivotal moment for me.

I was still practicing as a lawyer, but I had started docenting, so a lot of my mind was sort of, you know, spent thinking about, you know, painting, sculpture, and art.

And I, for reasons we'll probably discuss, was interested in Italian Renaissance art history specifically.

And my partner and I decided to go to Rome on a vacation.

He'd never been to Italy.

I'd been there a couple of times, but we...

How important have relationships been throughout your career, particularly when you've entered new environments or taken on something that's unfamiliar?