Are the kids talking about it openly? Are they talking about it with their s- with their classmates or with their teachers? Are they ashamed of it? Are they hiding it?

I'd say it's, uh, the, the best way that I can describe it is like, this is...

Housing instability is as unique as every individual, and it is as unique as, as snowflakes.

You will find no two situations or people exactly the same.

Uh, we will have definitely a percentage of students that are 100% mortified if anybody were to find out their current living situation, and other students are very open to it.

We...

I try to kind of help.

If you're talking about putting yourself in the shoes and you... and as you say, people are gonna say, "Well, I would never be in those shoes." But if you force them in the shoes of a, of a teenager who was homeless or a grade stu- school student who was homeless, what would they see that they would be so surprised about?