Or is that dragged down?

Okay.

Yeah, I had to soften prices dramatically just to keep the guys busy.

And we still weren't busy.

We were just barely scraping by.

So, yeah, I've never had to do that before.

I've never had to drastically lower pricing before.

They have to be

And then we'll hop into this question.

Yeah, so I was in marketing for close to a decade.

I worked for different agencies.

I started out actually in the chiropractic space, running ads for chiropractors.

And then eventually that all led to me having my own very small agency.

I didn't have employees.

I managed it myself.

If not, we'll get into triaging, which is kind of where your expertise takes over.

He was born that way.

Yeah.

[laughs] I mean, um, I, I, I wasn't always.

I mean, there is a side of me, um, in my younger years, you know, teens and, um, early 20s that before I was, before I was married ...

O- one of the things I think is, uh, that is interesting is a lot of, um, before you get married and have kids, like ugly sides of you you don't even know.

Yeah.

Um, and, uh, and I remember that mo- like I literally remember that moment.

It was a m- Ash and I were separated at this time.