Before you got into philanthropy, what were you doing?

Well, if you go back far enough, I mean, my first exposure to philanthropy and planned giving was way back in the summer of 1982.

I was between the two years of my master's in business administration program and was looking for internship employment.

But that particular time in 1981 to 1982 was a pretty rough time in the economy here in the United States.

Inflation and unemployment were both in double digits.

And my undergraduate major was viola performance, and music was all over my resume, so I could not find any internship opportunities through my grad school placement office.

But I was blessed to find an internship, believe it or not, in planned giving at the Christian Science Church World Headquarters in Boston.

But is that also during the time when you decided to create your own planned gifts?