Starting date, you know, when you, when you were hired on, and your first interaction with these guys.

Uh, March 1997, and, uh, I think we've always done a good job over the last 30 years of having, uh, started out as monthly sales meetings where we'd all get together and just kinda compare notes and, uh, compare wins, uh, compare some of the things we were struggling with, kinda talk about strategy and all that kind of stuff.

So I would've met Jason and Ashley at some of the early sales meetings and b- have been continuing that.

Not quite as much on a, as a regular basis as what we used to, but still anytime we need to get together as a group, we'll do that.

How have you guys developed that over the years?

One of the things I think I'm most proud of, and we, we talk about the number of years on our sales staff of the people that we work together with, but we have a ton of customers that are 20, 25 to 30-year customers, and that only happens when you have a good relationship.

When you are focused on doing the right thing for people, that's when you have people that will work together for 25-plus years.

So we always have our sales go around, we call it, where we talk about pe- what, what are people doing.