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Dave Kenzer

Dave Kenzer

President and lead game designer of Kenzer & Company, co-founder and creator of the HackMaster role-playing game.

Aug 27, 2026

JimHOST
3:12
It was brand new, but it was called Fourth Edition.
3:16
Well, I mean, I don't want to give you a full history lesson because that would take all of our time.
3:20
But very briefly, we built the Hackmaster game.
3:25
We did call it Fourth Edition, the first game that we made because it was, as you pointed out, was originally referred to by Knights of the Dinner Table.
3:33
And in that comic, they played what was called Hackmaster 3rd Edition.
3:37
By the way, the only reason there was a name Hackmaster for the game that the Knights of the Dinner Table played was because when it was running in Dragon Magazine, the comic strip Knights of the Dinner Table, and it had been running in Dragon Magazine for many, many months, maybe even more than a year, when the editor realized that the name on the Game Master shield of B.A. Felton, the Dungeon Master in Knights of the Dinner Table in Dragon Magazine, the game was called Dung and Dragons, D-U-N-G, Dung and Dragons.
4:08
So it was kind of making fun of Dungeons and Dragons.

16 MINS LATER

JimHOST
20:34
And apparently they were blind because they couldn't see all the great production values and art.

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