As you work with different, uh, professional perspectives, uh, and different groups, different entities, s- uh, shareholders, stakeholders, trustees, investors, team, um, do you find that different perspectives, um, do they help improve the outcome or do they sometimes make it more difficult?

Uh, I mean, for me, it's an improvement.

I like, uh, the diversity of thoughts, uh, across things.

I'm a big proponent for, of people having range and understanding where different, uh, thoughts and feelings come from.

I suppose the... what can be quite challenging is weighting those, uh, different opinions and diversity and where they, they, they come from.

I spend a lot of time, as you, as you've, uh, pointed out there, dealing with different stakeholders, uh, a- across our estates or local community groups, and it's, it's fantastic because sometimes you can get some really passionate in-depth knowledge, uh, from those areas that are gonna help turbocharge what we're trying to do.

Um, I always think about, we've got a, quite a, a couple of estates up in the, in the Cairngorms in Scotland, and for anyone that loves the environment knows that place is just a hive of, of specialists, whether it's, we've got one about person that's been looking at lichen for 30 years or, um, I'm on a, a WhatsApp group for people that are looking at beavers, uh, that have been reintroduced.

... building natural capital, uh, what words of advice would you offer based on your experience and career to date?