But I started off by asking Dave about what's he doing with PodPing.

Yeah.

So PodPing is what I would consider the evolution of those previous things.

They work, but they all had paper cuts.

We've talked before about how WebSub, which is really just a rename of PubSubHubbub, because why would you not rename that horrible thing? But WebSub was a similar to a thing called RSS Cloud, which Dave Winer pioneered back in the day, and then- WebSub kind of took those ideas and fleshed them out a little bit more, made it a little bit more generic, and became a fairly robust open standard, and then there was a WebSub 2, but I don't think anybody really adopted that.

But WebSub was an attempt to solve the RSS feed updating problem, generally speaking, not just for podcasting.

So if you had an RSS feed that updated with a new item or some other change to it, how do you let all your n- subscribers know that there's a change, that they need to go and pull the RSS feed again? So WebSub tried to do that by making a sort of registration server.

Yeah.

What is PodPing?

[laughs] Yeah, so PodPing is what I would consider the evolution of those previous things.

They work, but they all had paper cuts.

We've talked before about how WebSub, which is really just a, a rename of PubSubHubHub, because why would you not rename that horrible thing? But WebSub was a similar to a thing called RSS Cloud, which Dave Winer pioneered back in the day, and then WebSub kinda took those ideas and fleshed them out a little bit more, made it a little bit more generic, and became a fairly robust open standard.

And then there was a WebSub 2.0, but I don't think anybody really adopted that.

But WebSub was an attempt to solve the RSS feed updating problem, generally speaking, not just for podcasting.

So if you had an RSS feed that updated with a new item or some other change to it, how do you let all your subscribers know that there's a change, that they need to go and pull the RSS feed again? So WebSub tried to do that by making a sort of registration server, so the PubSub or WebSub server would register a lot of subscriptions.

Yeah.