I mean, you know, bear in

mind, we, we were kids at the time, you know, so we were still at school again, limited budget.

So, so our, our, our uniform then was like, we'd, we'd have all jeans that we'd get, you know, someone's mom would have a sewing, a sewing kit or a sewing machine and would, would bring them in for you.

So they would like drain pipe rather than flares, you know, we'd, we'd wear old tennis shoes like the Ramones did, or, or, you know, if, if you.

could afford it or your mum and dad would buy you a pair you'd have doc martin boots um you know we couldn't really afford leather jackets but we try and buy t-shirts from concerts or keith keith's records would stop with t-shirts as well um i remember for years i walked around in my i had a really old overcoat that my dad that my dad gave me um this long coat and uh we used to I don't know whether I should tell you this.

We used to use it for shoplifting records from Woolworths.

I was going to say, not from Thieves Records.

How did their music first enter your landscape? Was it just through like John Peel or the radio?