Yeah

...

Give Up anniversary tour, and most concerts in a normal tour have a prescribed format where, you know, there's an encore wh- where you'll play the big hits.

You might start the show with a couple new songs, ease in the crowd.

There's an element of surprise throughout the night.

You don't know what songs are gonna happen, and the crowd gets very excited when they hear a new hit.

Wh- when you play albums in a row in order like that, often the biggest hit is, like, the second or third song of the night, and Such Great Heights would be the second song-

I almost said it.

Mm

... and, and a bit of a deferential kind of, kind of attitude, which, which is fine, and, and I think that's a good record.

I don't think it's anyone's favorite Death Cab record, but it, it was, it was the product of a, a time of real uncertainty in the band, what th- what the band would sound like without Chris, how Zach and I fit into the bigger picture, et cetera.

Um, but what really kind of changed things around, oddly, was the pandemic because, uh, we d- we, we toured Thank You For Today, like, right up until the pandemic.

Like, I think we stopped playing shows in, like, February 2020 and all of...

And we'd had, like, plans to do more, and all of a sudden it was, like, completely shut down.

And Ben had this idea of collaborating, uh, remotely, like kind of everyone else, but he was like, "I wanna try a, a new, an entirely new approach to writing in this band where I'll still write some demos and you guys, you know, write parts to it or whatever, like we've done in the past.

Is that, you know, kind of part of that too?