We'll make that the part two podcast.

Well, well, there's definitely a moment in your career where you realize that you're kind of moving away from, uh, something that you're really good at into a kind of different role.

And, and for me, that was moving into business management functions from being pure project delivery.

And I was good at project delivery.

Well, I think I was anyway.

I mean, people told me I was good at it.

Um, and, uh, so, so I...

[laughs]