And we know... hindsight's a wonderful thing, but five months after a fight like that, is that too soon for you?

Mate, it's not hindsight, because I said it beforehand.

On the night, when I'd done interviews straight after the first fight, And people say, oh, what's next for Fabio? I was like, I don't want to see him fight again this year, as in 2026.

You know, have time out, walk back into the gym in January and look to fight in, you know, March, April, that sort of time.

Yeah, I always felt that that was too soon.

But you listen to Fabio speak and you listen to everybody saying, you know, no, this is great.

because you're not there watching it, you don't know.

I

Is that mind games or should Fabio be genuinely worried about Dubois who really is taking it very seriously this time around?

I wouldn't be very surprised and disappointed in any fighter that's going into a heavyweight title fight or such a 50-50 fight as they did last time if they didn't prepare to the best of their abilities at that time.

Now, whether they had niggles, which meant that he couldn't do certain things in training.

You know, fighters get injuries and they can't run and they still go ahead with the fight or they might pick up an injury.

If something like that had gone off and that's what it means by not being at his 100%, There may be, but I don't believe for one minute he didn't train as hard as he could have done for this fight, for the first fight.

Either way, now they've both been in the ring with each other, that gives you a different sense of purpose when you go into a rematch.

You know each other, you know each other's strengths, you know each other's weaknesses.

I think he's

Extremely good finish from Stephen Curran.

Yeah, I'm over the moon with him.

Again, this is about experience.

You've got to gather that experience through.

I thought he boxed really well.

Did what I asked him to do.

And the finish was great.

Mm

Again, it's not in the prime, but are we still gonna see a great fight between two great heavyweight fighters?

So even though it's five, six years, whatever you wanna call it, too late, we all wanted to see it in its prime, but it never happened.

So you can't keep harping on about saying, "Oh, it should've happened." Yes, we know it should've happened, but it didn't.

So we're left with the here and the now.

The question is now, do you wanna see the fight happen here and now? If you don't, don't watch the fight.

If you're still intrigued and you wanna watch the fight, watch the fight.

But everybody that's watching the fight, majority of them are quite sane and understand this, and some of them that are a little bit too enwrapped in it all and get a bit too emotional, whoever wins now, it doesn't mean they would've won when they were both at their peaks.

Mm.

Un- unbearably so.

Yeah.

It's, it's gonna be horrendous.

Um, and, and so I don't see how it works.

Uh, y- you...

It's one of those situations where I don't think, Gareth, you can't please everybody.

And if you're gonna, if you're gonna set up the right...

Um, is, is this the last chance saloon for him in Russia, uh, on this card, or is he being lined up for a career-ending defeat?

How are you?

I'm all right, guys.

How are you?

Listen, you, you can feel the disappointment in his voice, but you must be absolutely fuming as a person that is in the corner for him on a regular basis, um, and helping him get to these particular points, only to have it snatched away by, uh, by the, uh, opinions of three people ringside.

Oh, mate, it was an absolute mixture of emotions.

Y- you're upset for the kid.

You've seen him sob his heart out in the changing room after everything.

He puts his work, his life, everything into the sport.

Is this kid unbeatable right now? Can we see this kid as the next

one? No, listen, nobody's unbeatable.

I've seen enough superstars, enough invincibles to end up, you know, they do get beat.

Nobody's unbeatable in boxing, especially in heavyweight boxing.

It takes one shot to completely unravel you.

You know, so it's boxing.

You can get hit on the top of the head, equilibrium goes, somebody jumps on him and the fight's gone.

Usyk comments then when he was Usyk was asked a question about Atalma and he's basically said I don't want to fight him I don't want to break him such a young heavyweight I'm paraphrasing but he basically said that he wouldn't fight Atalma because he wouldn't want to break him for such a young

How was your deeper take on it when you watched all week from what I was saying? What was your take from Rotherham? Yeah.

Like you said, I thought he played it really well and I could understand why he would because it's a brand new audience.

It's not the usual Anthony Joshua audience, the serious boxing fans audience.

This is opening him up to a completely different, wider scale.

The Jake Paul fans, the youngsters, a different generation.

where they're all into the YouTubers, they're all into the quick, quick hits, attention grabbing things.

So I understood why he played it.

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But he's turned himself around where he's took the sport a lot more seriously lately.

Last few years since he's been with Jamie Moore.

And he's given himself every chance.

Now, he's still got the mileage on him from the fights that he's had in the past.

And the punishment that he's taken in the past.

The mileage doesn't come off the clock just because he starts servicing it.

just...

And I just feel like maybe now is his moment.

I think it's well well documented he said it quite often how in previously in big fights big opportunities that he's had he then said after you know I never trained for it um didn't take it seriously um That's always frustrated me.

But since the hookup with Jamie Moore, to be fair, I feel as though he's become more professional.

He has certainly taken it more seriously.

He's perhaps enjoying it a lot more as well.

I think it's been, you know, reaping the benefits of that.

The two fisher fights, for starters, I mean, you know, performances indoors and the fitness levels to be able to keep, because they were, you know, they were hard fights.

it you know

And that's what it really felt with him all week.

There are a lot of different components in order to become the best and to become elite.

And so far, Mos Atalma is showing a lot of those components.

Obviously in his performance, in his abilities, in his boxing abilities, and when you analyse him in his style and what he actually does in the ring.

But also, when you're saying there about little things that he has to deal with, nothing seems to fluster him.

He's got a great temperament.

And I feel that you have to have a, if you look at all the, all the elite, all the best fighters, I'm not saying he's there yet, but when you're looking at the guys that are in it, whatever sport it is, I mean, you've, you've spoke to a lot of them across all different sports, um, as have I as well, but you, they have this manner about themselves where they, They're actually, even the guys that aren't loud and vocal, they have this confidence and coolness about themselves where nothing, things go wrong.

an old school

It could be perfect timing, you know.

It could be.

Listen, that's assuming that Canelo beats Crawford, you know, obviously, which is a great fight we've got coming up.

But in terms of the fights that you've mentioned there, Charlo, I think, is a very winnable fight for him.

I would have him... going into that fight as a favourite.

I think Caleb Plant, again, timing, that might be a good spot right now.

Plant's not looked very good.

How much impact will the first fight have had on the pair of them? In terms of

In your eyes, right decision? I can see why.

I can see why it's an early stoppage.

Because you kind of want...

There's a part of us that wants to see conclusion.

Fighter falls on his face, gets knocked out.

That's it.

But I was looking at it straight along the rope, and he gets walled with the first right hand, and then the follow-up barrage, as he gets forced back to the ropes...

But you just talked about that sort of emotion shown by Whitaker to go over to the opposite corner and do that.

I

hope so.

I hope so.

Because, listen, I'm a big fan of Tank.

I'm a big fan.

But also, as a big fan who understands that he's not just, people just see him as raw power and exciting, but he's such a clever fighter.

He's so intelligent.

So

I just want to get your summary of the fight itself and then we'll break it down.

I, like you, I think I was looking forward to this fight for quite a while.

As soon as it was made, I thought, oh, this is going to be tasty.

In Ireland as well, in Belfast as well, the crowd, the Irish fans are just incredible.

And I've been fortunate to have sampled um that sort of atmosphere atmosphere before uh in person uh watching this on tv the atmosphere just came straight through the tv um i thought everything about this fight had ingredients to be a great fight and to be honest it surprised me how it how one-sided it was um you know i've Crocker comes out with his hands up, just walking forward, walking forward.

I thought, OK, he's trying to get into the range and bully and put the pressure on Donovan straight away.

But I thought Donovan just handled it really, really well.

And the ending, for me, it's not black and white, to be honest.