Is that the way you'd regard it?

Well, it is.

I mean, we have a lot of people in the Facebook group.

We probably have less people that come along.

We probably have about 20 or 30 people that come along regularly, and we meet at least once a month.

Yeah, so it is a pretty good community.

just blowing away how you can draw something that's moving.

Well, everyone has their own style, but also an orchestra is not moving too much.

Walk us through your story and the road that brought us to where you are today.

Well, and, and I, I appreciate the, uh, the, the, the good accolades.

Um, you know, it's been in the business a long time, and I guess that's, uh, that's pretty evident.

But, uh, you know, I'm, I'm one of the, the old school guys that started many, many years ago.

Uh, Dad had a, Dad had a collision shop, uh, and, uh, I started when I was 12, 13 years old working in the shop, you know, learning to paint, being that, uh, little grunt kid that, uh, you know, all the, uh, all the real, the real technicians, uh, picked on and...

But, you know, you learned a, a good education.

Of course, this was back in the, in the '70s and, you know, I can go clear back to the days of working on X bodies and, you know, uh, the old full frame vehicles and...

Where does that come from for you, and what do you think the industry can do to better kinda sell itself as a great living for folks?