What was the plan? Well,

once again, a sort of quixotic adventure.

It's funny talking about it on the back of the New York experience because they're not dissimilar.

Grand plans.

that don't quite soar and take off.

I took a redundancy from the ABC, happily, and John was at a point where he'd had a major festival that he'd put his heart and soul into and it had fallen over through sponsored pulling out.

So we went and lived overseas in Barcelona and during that time he said, oh, a friend of his invited him to go to Sri Lanka for New Year's Eve.

he produced