Who are these people who you're, you know, what, you just ring them and say, oh, we want to go to

lunch? Well, no, thank you for asking.

I was at the head of the Kuyong Classic, which is to be staged just prior to the Australian Open, as it always is.

And it's run by a man by the name of Cal, and I'm the emcee of the brunch.

Oh, that's good.

My message to everyone is $49 tickets.

The special price finishes in one week.

Although I'm

Yes.

And, and a bloke came up to him.

He said, "Look, I've got, mate, I've got these travel rugs.

Do you wanna buy one? Uh, they're, uh, $18." He said, "Is it pure wool or nylon?" He said, "I don't know.

I'm the thief, not the bloody manufacturer."

How many things have you nicked?

... saw a l- a girl pick up a...

Well, she picked up, this girl picked up a parcel.

Why is that important? Why is it important to the discussion?

Well, it's...

There's basically three different ways that an attacker can, or three most common ways now that we see these sorts of cyber attacks.

And the first of those attacks is social engineering.

So, you know, I pretend to be the service desk.

I call you up, Kevin, and say, hey, Kevin, we've noticed there's a problem on your machine.

I just need you to, or a problem with your account.

Where do you think the shortcomings are?

Well, it's...

There's basically three different ways that an attacker can, or three most common ways now that we see these sorts of cyber attacks.

And the first of those attacks is social engineering.

So, you know, I pretend to be the service desk.

I call you up, Kevin, and say, hey, Kevin, we've noticed there's a problem on your machine.

I just need you to, or a problem with your account.

I'm going to send you a push notification, though, because I want to make sure it's you, Kevin, that I'm talking to, and I need you to accept that.

Where do you think the shortcomings are?

What did you bond over? How did you become such good friends? Well,

oh, just the world.

He took me under his wing and...

He had a great past, a great journalist.

He loved Melbourne Footy Club at that stage, and so he got involved in the footy and showbiz.

His producer, Terry Hayes, he's a wonderful man, and he went into the movie world.

These two guys I was working with at the time, they were both geniuses.

What did you learn from him and what kind of broadcaster was he?

What did you bond over? How did you become such good friends? Well,

oh, just the world.

He took me under his wing, and...

He had a great past, a great journalist, and he loved Melbourne Footy Club at that stage.

And so he got involved in the footy and showbiz.

And his producer, Terry Hayes, who is a wonderful man, and he went into the movie world.

And these two guys I was working with at the time, they were both geniuses.

What did you learn from him and what kind of broadcaster was he?