Could you not live with yourself? Like once you'd sort of seen and understood.

I mean, yeah, sure.

You certainly feel responsibility, definitely.

But I think it's, more fundamental than that in a way.

You know, we've always been a business that looks beyond Manchin Eye, if you like.

Like if you think, well, there's two people who start the company and we're the two shareholders in the company.

But ultimately, we very quickly realized that there's other people involved.

But they come along, and they make you an offer you can't refuse?

No, not really.

Um [laughs] uh, so s- so first of all, the first five years were pretty tough.

Uh, but after that we're, we're fine, you know, in terms of, you know, food on the table, if you like.

But yeah, in, uh, in, from about 2007, TUI, which is a, an Anglo-German company, uh, that at the time was doing a lot and lots of acquisitions of other companies, and they kept knocking on our door.

And every year they'd kind of say, "Hey, do you want to sell? We'd like to buy you." And I'd kind of say, "No, not really.

We're having fun." And, and it, and it got a bit boring.

... love your reflections.