And then maybe bring us through where the family element came from, where it was and where it is today.

Yeah, Whistle Stop Tour.

My old man, John, was the teacher many, many years ago.

Got a job kind of working part-time in a kind of a financial advisor, insurance-based role.

So, you know, he was very much a very driven, hard-working individual.

He would have drove into – there was an office in Molesworth Street in town – would have went in there there was one computer in the office he talked up his paperwork before went to school taught and then would have went on and and and you know would have lined up meetings or had meetings whatever and i remember one of my earliest memories like you know like young man coming in and like announcing i got a client i didn't know what a client was but we all celebrated yeah So, yeah, so I remember it was really early and, you know, and he had very much a hustler mindset, like, you know, because it was really tough.

Like, he ended up leaving his teaching job in the 80s, which is, you know... you know, I was alive, but I don't remember much of it.

They're just buying them up for probably... 50% 30% 20% of what they're actually worth and if those businesses knew like if I just did the right things and the right stays for you know instead of getting a million or two million for the business they get five or six million in two or three years but they don't know what the steps are and they don't know that's available to them and private equity know it's available and they're coming in and they're taking that one and taking that one and they're taking the next one