We're dealing in reality here?

This is hard for me to smile through.

I'll just tell you that.

It was a dark, dark time for us.

But so at that time, my focus was trying to get this building built.

We did not know he was up to this.

And when I say working on concrete, the pictures were, if you take two cinder block, you know, stacked, the mortar joints in between each one of those was really the aim for him.

It was a huge operation.