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I'm gonna tell you exactly.

I'm gonna tell you what's interesting, by the way, uh, she transitioned February 20- 21st.

We talked on the phone, and we were texting one another.

And it's funny, 'cause I still have my phone.

I still, I never, I never traded that phone in.

I still have it, 'cause it has all of our text messages on it.

I know what I feel.

There's so many different laws that I hear, right? Like-

Yeah.

Okay, so there's, it's considered the 12 immutable laws of the universe.

It originally was born from the seven hermetic principles, which is, then it was expanded into 12, then it went to 18, 24, and 52 laws.

But these are basically the laws that govern how consciousness and the spirit operates here on Earth, but also in the heavens.

However, this is said to be, I was taught from my teachers on the other side of the veil, if you want to know, study the laws.

And let me tell you, I, I took that to heart, and I jumped and dived, did a deep dive into these laws.

Sure.

So would you mind telling us that story? What happened? And, and let me ask a few questions as we go.

Yes.

Thank you.

My very best friend, I met her when I was in the heyday of my wanting to get a book deal, and I saw her in The New York Times.

She had a full-page ad.

She had, her book had been released, and she was doing very well with her book, and I saw her- And I was just in awe of this Black woman who was in the New York Times.

And I reached out to her by way of email just because I was on the path of wanting to becoming a published author in the way that she was, and she reached back to me.

Something the doctors don't understand now

Y- now you say that, that dying actually requires a special kind of surrender, right? So before we go too far down that road, I'd love to, I'd love for you to explain to us what you mean by that.

that.Well, you know, the surrender is this, if you can wrap your brain around what I'm about to tell you.

The surrender, as you're approaching the door to death, you will surrender your gender.

You will surrender your sexuality.

You will surrender your ethnicity.

You will surrender, believe it or not, your religion if you have one.

You will surrender everything that you think makes you uniquely you.

Oh, geez.

Hmm.

And it was that question that I had to answer for myself, and I began a very extensive dive into out of body.

This was in 2006, so not a lot of people were talking about it.

There wasn't as much information and NDEs experience as you're having, as we have now.

The world is changing.

So I really went in the deep dive, and I've, actually, Jim, I practiced recreating that state, and I did it for one year straight.So it wasn't like all of a sudden I just started traveling out of body.

I started reading Robert Monroe's books, the father of out-of-body experience, he's often referred to as, and I started replicating that experience.

What is the OBE with the land of giants?