And building on that foundation of competency, trust gets amplified through reliability, relationships, integrity, and shared values.

The one piece within that mix which you cannot underestimate is relationships and take time to build.

And not everybody has them.

You can be highly competent and not have any relationships.

But I also think the importance of integrity can be underestimated.

As we're in a world that's becoming more and more transactional, I think that integrity with which people hold themselves when they conduct business is paramount.

It's not always the best price that wins.

That the connection of meeting face-to-face, having a meal together, having a drink together,

And building on that foundation of competency, trust gets amplified through reliability, relationships, integrity, and shared values.

The one piece within that mix which you cannot underestimate is relationships and take time to build.

And not everybody has them.

You can be highly competent and not have any relationships.

But I also think the importance of integrity can be underestimated.

As we're in a world that's becoming more and more transactional, I think that integrity with which people hold themselves when they conduct business is paramount.

It's not always the best price that wins.

That the connection of meeting face-to-face, having a meal together, having a drink together,

Yeah

... um, and then moved into the role I am.

I think, um, having the position that I am, you know, part of the objective of Sirius is to have, you know, better brand positioning or, or, you know, how do we engage and attract the right people to come work for us, and I think leading from the front in that way and being, being that, not the face, but being, um, the presence that I need to be online is certainly an important aspect of, of any role in leadership.

Like what, what advice would you impart?

Um, okay.

So, um, younger self and younger, younger women, I would definitely say, um, don't be so hard on yourself because even though the job is hard, you definitely can get through it.

Think looking back, um, the advice I would give myself is, you know, be kind to everybody because, you know, you never know, well, not to myself, but to everybody, you never know what is going on behind closed doors with anyone.

Um, and kindness goes a long way.