The thing that we talked about is we said, why do we wait for permission or feel the need for permission, particularly as women in business? So let- let's just start there.

Okay.

So my take on this, um, pretty much comes from the fact that we're super conditioned to the world that we live in, society, generation, um, generational, cultural, that all of the, the things that go before us and around us, right? So environmental as well being a big one.

Um, we're conditioned to be in a box, I like to say.

We're conditioned to do things a certain way.

Um, and without getting too controversial, um, and going into the whole, um, [smacks lips] tin hat theories-

Yeah

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