So with your experience, why do you think that divide continues to exist between the teacher, the loving, well-meaning teacher in the classroom and the parent who feels overwhelmed and under supported? How come we haven't been able

to make that happen? I think there's a couple reasons.

So first, I would say right now is time.

Time is a big barrier.

In my classroom, I had at one point 24 kids, 24 three to four-year-olds.

And building a connection with 24 families is very difficult, not impossible.

And each family I had a different relationship with, some stronger than others.

So what did you notice? Did you do any type of kind of A, B observation research with integrated public preschool programs versus privately run programs?