Tell us about the rifts and how all that went down.

Well, after the elections and before them, I read Project 125 and I was familiar with what it talked about with foreign assistance and it seemed fine.

I've been through, I was hired under Obama as a presidential management fellow, which was for those who aren't aware, that's like, it was a merit pathway to enter the federal service for those who are on track to become future executives, presidential management fellow or the PMF.

So I came in as 2016 after grad school on that track, did a couple months with Obama, four years with Trump won, four years with Biden.

Looking at Project 2025, I felt like this is doable.

We're going to focus on faith-based practices.

We're going to really hone in on these elements.

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