Perhaps you can give us a little bit of a background for that.

Yeah, you know, every time I think about this encounter, because it was definitely an encounter for me, I get really emotional about it because it was such, it was a real moment.

You know, like a defining moment in your life that you will always reflect on and it's almost like a fork in the road moment.

This was definitely it for me.

I was really wrestling with grief at the time I had completed my master's degree.

Oh, well, not quite.

I had one research project to finish to complete my master's degree.

So can you give us a little bit of a theological framework if you had to summarize this? What's a good way to think about animals when we know God and how does God see animals?