What

does that mean to you? Sure.

So I think for me, it's seeing how you can enable the orangutans to achieve their aspirations.

So a really tangible example is that if I want to be a good ally to the partners I work with, it's making sure that, for example, there's transparency on the pricing of our products so that they also pick up the knowledge that they have.

to eventually own the operation because at the end it's in service of them.

It's not about me being like the face of native forever.

So being a good ally also means knowing when to step aside.

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