I guess the question, is there a point in the linear timeline where it goes from ancient to modern? Does ancient yoga exist along modern yoga now? How are you defining modern yoga?

Well, that's a great question.

I mean, let's back up just a moment and touch on something that you highlighted in those reels, which I think is a feature of modern yoga that we can't get away from.

And that's the marketplace.

People are selling stuff and people are making claims in order to sell, even if all they're selling is their point of view, as the second of the reels you were pointing to was doing.

And I think that that takes us away immediately from anything to do with traditional yoga it wasn't about commoditizing and selling it was about a transformative experience and a way of being and you know things that were conducive to that were encouraged and things that were leading away from that were discouraged and i would be pretty clear in my mind at at least that a lot of the earlier teachers of yoga who we might bracket in the pre-modern column would have looked at the way in which things are sold today, been horrified and run a mile.

But of course, we live in a market economy.

to it being more like about you know that you're saying that started with the indian teachers yes they still are citing what they're doing as yoga did they was it ever acknowledged that they were taking it in a new direction but or they were always considering it a continuation of the ancient traditions

Uh, Daniel.

Well, I think we're looking at, you know, time and reality in different ways to the people who first pioneered these traditions.

Um, the average modern yoga practitioner is not coming to class to escape from a cycle of births, and, uh, that is where these traditions began.

And obviously, the philosophy behind that, the way of looking at the world, um, can translate into looking at one lifetime.

Um, you know, there is a cycle of cause and effect.

There is an interrelationship with things.

There is, uh, an entanglement of ourselves in unhelpful ways, uh, with, you know, the world around us that could also be, to a certain extent, upgraded into, you know, a more helpful way of relating and engaging.

Life and death.