Yeah

... you know, names [chuckles] and names will, will be obscured and not mentioned.

There was...

Y- you know, there are times when, you know, you can lead the horse to water, but you can't make it drink, right? But if the horse is thirsty enough, he will come back at some point, and that's like, that's kind of what your story is about.

And so I, I gave advice to a client which they were gonna introduce a new product, and there was a patent, 'cause I do patent, trademark, and copyright work.

There was a patent that was standing potentially in the way of this introduction, meaning that if they introduced the product, there was a very good chance that they would have an infringement suit brought by this owner, the patent owner.

Now, the patent owner wasn't a big guy.

No