So how do we manage our way through this?

It's a good question.

It's a million-dollar question, right? In some ways, it's an unfamiliar problem because there are more countries involved in sending things into space, and there are different kinds of actors sending things into space, including commercial actors, who are supposed to be governed by the countries from which they launch, but things get a little messy in that.

So there are a lot more actors out there.

We do have some principles in existing treaties about how we ought to treat space, who can and cannot occupy certain points.

But like other things in the world, like efforts to address climate change, efforts to control or govern international waters, There's a sort of governance gap, right? That is, you know, we know we, put an asterisk on that, we know the kinds of things that we want to happen or not to happen, but it's difficult to sort of operationalize those things and have those things enforced.

I wonder if I could just back up a little bit to sort of give an extra sort of lens to the conversation, right? Sorry, the debris issue is in many ways like a downstream consequence of upstream decisions, right? Decisions about what kinds of things we're sending into space for what purposes and how much, and what the quality of those things is as well.

So from a public policy perspective and from an equality perspective, How do we ensure that Canadians, especially Canadians in the North and especially Indigenous Canadians, have the benefits of satellite technology without making satellite congestion worse?

Would you agree with, do you agree with that take?

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, for a report written for the CSA Public Policy Center, sort of rehashes or rehearses a story that we've heard a lot about innovation in Canada.

We have this classic innovation challenge, which is that we have very smart, well-educated people who generate groundbreaking ideas in science and technology on the one hand, but our ecosystem, our market system for turning those ideas into innovative products and services and businesses has always been pretty lackluster.

We've always lagged on that.

And I think to change that, and this is true of AI as well as other technologies and innovations, this is sort of general advice, I think to change that there's three things that we can do.

We can improve financing for innovative firms, including ensuring that major programs that support innovation and technology adoption, like our R&D tax credit program, prioritizes Canadian firms

And, uh, where I'm excited when it comes to AI and where this is leading is when it comes to healthcare and how it can, uh, you know, have a huge impact when it comes to, uh, uh, controlling and managing diseases.