We, we,

and there was an idea that we were going to be doing kind of hybrid stuff, like trying to get, do some film stuff too.

But then it, it just developed to the point where.

um michelle got started working at cbc and had a pretty good uh gig there and then that so it sort of this whole focus shifted to me in theater and then we so we went in that direction and then and then i i was doing it on my own for a number of years we up until uh never swim alone well it was a show that we produced and then um again in collaboration with other companies but um Sherry Johnson, we were at Passe Muraille and I said, I'm done with, I can't do the company.

It's too much to handle on my own.

And Sherry Johnson was there, who now is at Crows, who with Chris Abraham has kind of led like their, you know, their crown jewel of theater in Toronto.

It's, you know, they're the people now.

So,