Stick [laughs]

Yeah, really.

It, that was one of the most frustrating things in the, the beginning, um, stages of, uh, working with pastel.

I just felt like I was wasting so much time.

And so, uh, I don't feel like that now, I, I don't think.

Um, but I put all my...

I try to organize the pastels, of course, by color, but one of the things, uh, that has helped, um, y- you know, s- I, I've seen peop- I haven't, I don't think I've done this, but I've seen people do it, um, where they would take pictures of their palette and then conver- they would desaturate them so that they're in black and white so that they could organize also by value.

You need to be doing it this way"?