One of the biggest differences for me between these music science conferences and music therapy conferences is the poster session is the place to be.

Yeah, I would agree.

The conference design, just on a macro level of SMPCs are always so good.

They do a really good job with the sessions of having...

The format's basically they'll have three or four groupings at the same time for concurrent sessions, but vastly those sessions will be like 20 minutes, 20 minutes, 20 minutes of different things w- under that umbrella.

Sometimes there's an outlier that's like, "We didn't know where to fit you." Not only that, but then it's totally socially fine to just get up and go after one is done because they're all on the same 20-minute, um, like setup of like three and, three in an hour.

And so whereas at music therapy conferences, the concurrent sessions are usually the whole hour and 15 minutes or however long it is.

Mm-hmm.