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the Kanaima.

So the aim of the expedition was to travel from a town called Apateri, which is right in the interior, down to one of the kind of... more larger towns, which was Bartica.

And then once you're in Bartica, you're kind of in Georgetown.

It's like a two-hour journey away from Georgetown.

So the aim was to travel the length of the river from Apateri to Bartica on a dugout canoe, so an indigenous canoe.

So, I believe in carbon neutral.

I don't know if that's a thing or not, or if I'm just making that up.

What was your first o- what was your first overseas trip, your first adventure?

So my first job, best job I've ever had, ever, was a local zoo to me, Dudley Zoo.

Some people may be aware of it.

And it was a brilliant job.

I had a very influential person who educated me a lot there.

I didn't work there very long, six, seven months, where I was working with the venomous snakes and the crocodiles, and he's still kicking about now.

The guy worked there 40-plus years, and I still speak to him now.

So, so how, how did you bring that together?