We will make something that we're really proud of and then we'll put it out there and find our natural fans, our

1,000 true fans.

So even though we're doing things like wild fermentation, we are really trying to have a really pure and clean, expressive fruit profile that is complex, but it really is true to the vineyard origin.

Factory winemaking, big company winemaking is the opposite, where they're adding a few more things.

There might be some tannin added and some...

Most wine is extremely natural, and even the big companies are very much using grapes as the primary thing.

But they might add a bit of tannin.

i feel like this is working for you right like your wines win awards can you give me a little bit of boasting about how great your wines are doing