They're still floating around 6 plus and 7, right? How is that affecting the marketplace? And are people putting that much into that thought, or are they just kind of saying, you know what, time has passed, let's move on?

I think that you can look at the building carrying costs and you can look at the interest rates are still considered carrying costs.

Like we're going to loop them into the exact same aspect of it.

I think that the biggest obstacle in New York is mindset.

and interest rates are always gonna be there.

The great thing is that you can refinance.

The building maintenance or the common charges, as long as you understand what you're actually getting and the goals of it, then you're also going to be fine.

Is that a phrase that's too simplistic these days in today's market? Or is there a fact to it? I think it's