What do you think is the actual difference?

So, the difference is when we are focused only on pushing policy or pushing processes or sitting down and writing things up, we are focused on whatever has happened in the past, right? Like, we are looking to the past, or we are looking into, you know, like very specific things that are happening right now, so we are putting out fires, as we do pretty much every single day in HR.

It's, it's our job.

What I'm trying to help us do is to start looking into the future with every single thing that we do, right? Like, when we look backwards, when we are doing pretty much everything that we do based on data and past actions, we are not necessarily solving issues for the future.

So one of the things that I try to help HR professionals do is, again, we might or might not say the word culture, right? But I try to help them see how every single thing that they do, how every single decision they make, how every single process they put together How it impacts the entire company as a whole.

So we build together like a map of sorts, so we can connect the dots, right? Like, I don't know, you implemented a referral program.

Okay, great.

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.