I, I know that it's coming from your lineage, but I don't know if it's something that it grow up with you or you grow with it as you grow up, and how is now you see it, maybe this interconnection, um, or entanglement between what you do creatively with, um, the storytelling through videos or through photos, and how this combine also potentially with this other world where in the past maybe there was no such a thing as taking photos, but was all connected through stories and how- ... potentially they, they interconnect in your world now

Hmm.

Wow.

Um, yeah, that's a vast question.

[laughs] I like it.

Uh, yeah, I have to say, sort of like winding back to, to the, the beginning of that, and I guess my whakapapa being, you know, my genealogy and lineage, you know, um, having, uh, Maori ancestry.

It's not something that I grew up with, and so just coming back to that nature versus nurture, um, piece, is that I never grew up knowing that I was Maori.

... um, what, um, tangapuru, uh, is from your own perspective if you would have one way or, or many, many more than just one way of describing it?