Well, I get to the top of the hill and I'm met by a woman that has a large basin of water.

And she puts the water down on the ground and takes her headscarf off and rips a chunk off.

And of course, I don't speak Swahili.

She doesn't speak English.

Basically, we come to the understanding she wants me to wash my feet.

So I bent down and I start washing my feet and she starts slapping my hands away.

So how did you get involved with being behind the scenes of Fishers of Men Ministry with the whole bookkeeping and doing the newsletter and everything that you've done over the years?

It started basically as a friendship, and then we went to Kenya, and it was probably, I think I resigned from my position in 2014 to take care of some family matters.

And I kind of had the time, so I thought I'd do writing, that kind of thing.

So it started out with doing the newsletters.

Updating some of the brochures, more desktop publishing, that kind of thing.

Then it was probably 2018 maybe that I had taken care of all of our family stuff.

I hadn't gone back to work yet.

Yeah, you do.