Was it always something you were interested in and you didn't think you could do it, or you didn't want to do all of the extra school or what, um, kind of brought you to the field?

Yeah.

So when, um, I was a high school athlete and wanted to play collegiate athletics, so one of the things that Franklin College, a Division III school, offered me was the ability to play two sports.

So I played football and baseball for part of my time there.

Um, thought I wanted when I was applying to schools and things like that to be a crime scene technician.

I came from a very police heavy family.

I've got an uncle, two cousins, my dad, my great uncle are all police officers, so it was kind of gonna be my way of joining the family business.

Yes.