Yes.

Um, 'cause a- again, I think there's a lot I would, I kind of have to unpack to ex- to really sort of explain what I care about and what I think- I love it ... and, and how I help people.

Um, one of the first ...

So I'm about purpose, right? That's the, that's the place that I start, and I, I've really come to this ...

You know, like I said, I'm just gonna be ...

I'm, I'm about to be 50, right? So this is a lifetime of, of work that, um, self-work that really started- Yeah ...

when I was, um ...

Uh-huh.

Where can I find the broker? We're

getting there.

In a bar holding a guitar.

So when I did that, I was like, well, this is great, but I want to do this for artists, right? I want to rep.

I want to be the personal advisor to musicians.

And quickly, I kind of observed that there is what I call the world of traditional wealth, right? And that is what the Sullivan and Cromwells of the world cater to, what the financial institutions cater to.

It's mega money.

Don't talk so much.

You know, as you look at artists and other influential people that you've worked with, how do you get over that first hump of not like believing in yourself, but then also being willing to go out there and pursue that purpose? Because I think that's a hard step for a lot of people.

I think what we're going to get into quickly is really a definition of success and what people want, right? You know, someone who's chasing something, and I sort of said this before we got online here, you know, I don't believe in chasing anything, right? Because it's always fleeting.

And we live in a society, this comes back to we've done everything wrong, right? We've created a society and a system of values that get embedded in us that have definitions of success and Success is defined primarily by how much money you make, right? Or how much maybe power you can yield or influence you can yield.

For a lot of artists, you're growing up thinking you want to be famous.

Um, maybe without even consciously choosing that it's just, it's just the image of fortune and fame and that's completely wrong.

And so where I start with a lot of artists is I have to come to a common understanding of what the goal is.

If what you want to do is get rich.

What is it that you would typically ask that person to consider in order to help them so that you could serve them?

I want just enough money, but I'm a struggling creative right now, and I have not hit that threshold, and I keep seeing all these people on TikTok and Instagram who are overnight successes, and it looks so easy and that they could just hone in on their craft and live on a yacht." What do you say to the people that are listening that might feel discouraged, saying, "Dan, this all makes sense, but I'm not there yet"? What do you s- What are, what's your answer?

So there's so many things to unpack there, right? O- one is TikTok and Instagram, right? You're, you're, it, it...

That's a quick, uh, a get-rich-quick scheme.

It doesn't work, right? And, and the statistics, you know, you're seeing the exceptions to the exceptions in terms of people that make so much money online and things.

Um, again, what are, what are you trying to achieve as a creative? You know, I think, again, the mistake is that, that we're sort of taught and in what's embedded in us from a value system is that the idea of being a successful creative is this idea of, quote-unquote, making it, which is a more extreme version of, of success, right? It's, it's having, again, a lot of money as opposed to enough money.

I tell creatives all the time that if you take the spectrum of salary that is out there for somebody, you know, call it a, a teacher or somebody making a modest living, 50 or $60,000 a year maybe, to doctors and lawyers who make hundreds of thousands of dollars, you know, you can fall on that spectrum of salary.

You can have a respectable job And that job being your creativity.

And it's just what you're talking about here, you know, taking the skills and finding a way to monetize it.

Mm.

And it was that point in time when my dad had the talk with me and told me what sex was supposed to be and what it wasn't supposed to be.

And then they let me go on about the business of just being a normal little boy, and I played Little League baseball and I did all of those things.

I really didn't think about it until years later.

It, it obviously had some effects o- on me.

It affected my self-esteem.

It affected my self-confidence.

When you got married and into your dating relationship, how did that affect your relationship with your wife?

Her voice was actually playing through the museum speakers throughout the tour.

What you hear in the background are live church services that were broadcast live from the temple.

I'm gonna turn her off for a while.

Sometimes I feel like I'm com- competing with her.

(laughs)

Even that heavenly sky blue dome designed to evoke the outdoor revival is now obscured by sound-absorbing panels.

Because with the newer modern drums and keyboards and electric guitars for the music and the worship, um, this room was terrible.

It just caused a lot of noise.

Her voice was actually playing through the museum speakers throughout the tour.

What you hear in the background are live church services that were broadcast live from the temple.

I'm gonna turn her off for a while.

Sometimes I feel like I'm com- competing with her.

(laughs)

It has moved from the absolute fringe to the mainstream, and she's a big part of that story.

So we can go down to mezzanine here.

Watch your step.