So what do you do? What-

Well, that, that's the key.

The trucking industry is decentralized.

You know, you've got the big mega carriers in the LTL and the truckload sector, and then you've got the parcel delivery, uh, carriers, the FedEx, the UPS, the DHL, and their subsidiaries.

Yeah, you're right.

The Teamsters would walk in a heartbeat, but they would walk over their contract language.

And they may walk against UPS next summer.

Dan Ronan, okay, so what is the strangest thing you've been seeing out there, something odd and weird that's caught your attention?

What's the true cost of doing the same stupid stuff over and over again?

Well, I hear the same numbers you do.

You know, 10, $15,000 to get someone in the door and get them recruited.

If I were a CFO of a company, of, of any one of these companies, I would be aghast with the amount of money that they're burning through- Just in this process.

I mean, you've got insurance you gotta pay.

Uh, your fuel prices are- it's g- it's a, it's a cost that is, you know, predetermined and then goes up and down depending on your, your fuel surcharge.

But if I was burning through this much cash to keep the wheels moving, I'd be going out of my mind.

From your experience when you're talking to drivers right now, where in the freight cycle are we? Are people feeling more optimistic? Are, are people feeling a little hesitant? Are, are, are we worried about fourth quarter? Like, where are we at in your opinion?

What's the true cost of doing the same stupid stuff over and over again?

Well, I hear the same numbers you do.

You know, $10,000, $15,000 to get someone in the door and get them recruited.

If I were a CFO of a company, of any one of these companies, I would be aghast with the amount of money that they're burning through just in this process.

I mean, you've got insurance you've got to pay.

Your fuel prices, it's a cost that is predetermined and then goes up and down depending on your fuel surcharge.

But if I was burning through this much cash to keep the wheels moving, I'd be going out of my mind.

From your experience, when you're talking to drivers right now, where in the freight cycle are we? Are people feeling more optimistic? Are people feeling a little hesitant? Are we worried about fourth quarter? Where are we at in your opinion?