Yeah, interesting.

And when that trip was over, I was like, "I need to find somewhere in the US to make this happen." Even at that point, Portland housing is super expensive.

There aren't abandoned buildings.

[laughs] Like, it's just not a thing.

So, um, heard about Pittsburgh from a friend.

Neither of us had ever been here before.

Drove across the country, made it here, and pulled into this place called The Wall, which was, like, outside a hamburger pizza place in the Oakland neighborhood of Pittsburgh.

Yeah