But because they applied for a charter and have been running a charter, from what I understand, in Arizona, we have, what, one year of student data? And tell us what you learned from that data.

Right.

I think it's really interesting that, you know, as opposed to saying we make the best private school experience possible, as opposed to saying like, yes, we bring in a very selective crowd of students, which they do.

As opposed to saying that, they seem to believe that they have discovered the secret of what will educate at massive learning gains.

the larger population of K-12 students in America, which I know from having been a teacher, having taught yesterday in a class here in Oakland Unified, being a public school teacher, I know it's a really challenging task.

And so they went around to various states and applied for charter licenses, Pennsylvania, Arkansas, several others, I believe Utah, Texas even, and they were rejected in all those states for various reasons, largely related to the lack of empirical proof around their model.

Arizona said, sure, let's do it.

I'm just trying to wonder if there are any good, you know, like, like, is this, is this a demonstrable improvement or is this a very interesting experiment with very mixed results? Like that's kind of the, that's the question I'm asking myself.

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Students lack perseverance.

Uh, they lack retention.

You find yourself re-explaining concepts three months later wholesale.

There's a- an aversion to word problems, which describes 99% of my students, and then the other 1% are eagerly looking for the formula to apply in that situation.

Okay? This is really destructive.

David Milch, a creator of Deadwood and other amazing TV shows, has a really good description for this.

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He lives in Utah, and he saw all this land up here, and he thought, "Surely we could do something for God on some of this land."

As we would talk and dream and think about things, we had this vision of neighborhoods of outreach.

That was something that was just in our heart.

We're gonna just do things to help, especially women and children.

Because of Joyce's past, Joyce Meyer Ministries has a heart to reach women that have been taken advantage of and abused, and we knew that was something that we had to do here.

Problem number three is the way this law interacts with the age-crime curve.

And it's just an idea that people, when they're young, don't have a lot of life experience, their brains are still developing, make some really bad decisions, and the people who are most likely to get convicted of crime are 17, 18, 19, 20.

Once you start getting to about 25, you have your fully mature brain, you have a little bit more life experience under your belt, that starts to really decline.

By the time you're 50, 60, beyond, vanishingly low rates.

That is the exact opposite of how habitual criminal sentencing works.

It's taking those mistakes you make early in your life and attaching a permanent consequence to them that can never be undone.

It's just not what we know in our own lives, whether you've been to prison or not, would you wanna be stuck with the consequences of the worst decisions you made when you were a teenager? Probably not.

Mm-hmm.

Is there anything in that model of education for you, Dan? In other words, do you think a good, and we'll have to dig into that, AI tutor could play a role in a student's day-to-day schooling around other things as well? Or do you think there's just no place for it?

Yeah, look, I think that they are considering the question at Alpha of what is what is a human good for and what is a device good for? How can we think of new relationships between students, eligible adults and devices? And I support that kind of question asking.

They seem to have a novel use of AI, not as a chatbot tutor, as I understand it, but they use AI, I think, primarily to construct learning pathways for kids, to let kids know what you might study next more optimally.

They use AI, to my knowledge, through computer vision and watching what the student is doing on their device during those two hours.

And they have what I believe is called a waste score, where they let the student know how much time you've wasted, which...

I think raises all kinds of questions for me.

But moving along from those questions, I just want to name there could be something to this.

What are you going to see? What's going to be different? Is anything going to be different?