But, but what do you enjoy about it, a-and why is it important as well? Why is The Week Science and Nature doing this in the first place?

Ah, they're great, great questions.

So, well, I mean, like you say, I mean, like, setting the challenge, uh, getting excited about what our readers, uh, will find and how-- and what they'll come back with is, is really fulfilling.

But for me, I think what I really love is watching the, the, the photos come in.

They start as a trickle.

We've started just before the summer holidays.

Um, and then as we go into the summer holidays, we'll have more and more and more.

Right

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Yeah.

... um, what does that relationship look like in terms of the feedback that you're able to give?

Uh, I mean, yeah, Salomon's been really gracious.

I mean, they're super open to athlete insight or feedback.

If you have issues or problems with product, um, they're extremely open to, like, "Okay, what's the problem you have? Can we fix that quickly? Can we fix that with a different product or a different size or a different this?" And then if that's not a fix, then it's like, "Okay, can we alter this piece of product? Like, can we trim this, change that?" Like, Salomon're big on-- W-we're really lucky to have, like, a super great program at Annecy in headquarters.

They can pretty much make whatever you need to or change whatever you need to ch- get changed.

Um, so that's cool.

I was actually talking with one of the performance guys.

That can fit anything

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Dude, I mean, it's nice to have, bring your buddies around.

Like, you can have your buddies run Western with you, you know? But for Cocodona, it was sweet, because I got to run with one of, one of my great friends, Danny Hayes, and, you know, normally in a race like that size, he would not be in the front, but we're all sharing this moment together.

Like, they're working, in my eyes, nearly as hard, if not harder than me, 'cause I mean, your crew in Cocodona, if you're on 60 hour pace, they don't have time to sleep or do stuff either, 'cause everything is so remote and spread out that they're driving all over the place, and they're nervous, and they're checking the tracker, and they're not getting sleep.

So I mean, half of them only slept like five hours in three days, too.

And, um, but I got to share that moment with him, and we knew she was ahead of us, 'cause I think we came into that aid station before we passed her, and she was there, and then left while I was there.

And then Danny and I took off, and we just kinda, we really were s- slowly meandering, 'cause it was really muddy in this field we were in.

... obviously they've got a great group.