Is it, is, d- does devolution mean that you can do this stuff more easily?

I th- I think you can still do these things in England as well, I think, to be fair.

But what I would say about the Welsh experience is that we've had very, very- Enthusiastic, considered ministers, people like, like Lee Waters, who've really pushed this, this stuff and put money behind it.

That's what's important.

You can have all the goodwill in the world and all the kind of, you know, the right plans, but unless you're gonna fund it, it's not gonna happen.

And, and in Wales, it, it has, and I think that's paying, paying dividends, you know.

And people come to Cardiff and they say, "Oh my God, we didn't realize all the stuff you were doing, how far ahead you were"-

And so I guess, I don't know to what extent this is part of a kind of selling Cardiff to, to visitors and potential new residents.