Uh, just quickly, what was that experience like for you working with them on this documentary?

Uh, it was great.

You know, I primarily worked with Sarah Dosa, the director, Elijah, the producer, and there were three editors, and th- you know, they really sculpted the sound.

Um, and I work a lot in, like, p- pretty, I don't know, left-of-center docs, and we're, we try to really find radical sounds, and National Geographic is to a much wider audience than a lot of the docs that I work on, uh, live in.

So there's, was this, um, an understanding of that.

You know, you wanna think about where the film is going to live and the audience it's gonna have.

But, like, on paper, this film sounds really depressing.

Right.