I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, yeah,

yeah.

And I didn't ride a bike again, really, for either recreation or transport for many years.

But I guess as part of the founding story for this company, yeah.

About in my mid-30s, I really adopted what I'd learned eventually, you know, eventually learned was the 20-minute city lifestyle.

And I didn't know it was a thing.

I didn't really know around, you know, the theory or the framework or the practice around it at the time.

And I think it just kind of started as like a chit-chat, like a, hey, should I take this crazy business to the U.S., right? Yeah.