Did you have any moment where you almost didn't go for it that you talked yourself into it or did you have a word track that you went to or do you when you're doing uncomfortable things?

I can honestly say I've never had trouble, or I've never had a lack of people, let's say, who have believed in me and shown incredible belief in me.

The biggest problem is my belief in myself and what I'm able to accomplish, kind of going back to the low self-esteem thing.

Why I battled that, I can't tell you.

But the reason I was there was I'm a member of Vistage, and Michael Alasso came, and he was the Vistage um, speaker for, for the day.

This was in April of 2025.

And, you know, you, you've spent time with Michael.

It's like, what is, you know? Yeah.