You felt that it was amazing

Well, one, really, one of the things that, uh, we are very, uh, intent about is bringing to light the very important historical sites that are relatively unknown.

And one of the most interesting to me was a place called The Presidio, and, uh, it was really surprising.

We went out there, and again, this is about a, oh, a 45-minute, hour hike into the desert, stepping over the rattlesnakes as we go, very lightly.

But it's an old Spanish fort from the, I mean, from the Spanish days.

It goes back to, I believe it was built in 1776.

And it's, uh, uh, quite a substantial ruin.

Mm-hmm.

What role did dowsing play in that investigation, if you can t- sort of talk about that? 'Cause it sounds like it was sort of a particularly different one.

Uh, yeah.

It, well, it, it makes a good point.

It's a case where, uh, the dowsing was acc- wa- was, was very accurate.

Um, and it also proves that, uh, the, the, the pendulum dowsing is not limited by time and space.

We had a case, again, it was in, uh, it was in Colorado, and it was one of those cases where a, the young 12-year-old boy went missing after leaving his father's house.

It's one of those small town cases where everybody knows the dad did it.

Yeah.

Um, how about you, Dan? I mean, did you, did you realize early on this investigation was heading somewhere much stranger?

No, I, I'm, not in- not initially.

Uh, I got a phone call from George.

Lindsey had called George at the recommendation of a friend, and George believed her story, uh, as, as do I.

But I got a phone call from George one day, he said, "Hey, Dan, do you, uh, I, I may have a case here that's a legitimate alien abduction.

Do you think we can use, uh, pendulum dowsing to, uh, to investigate that, that case?" And I said, "Well, let's, let's find out." So, uh, you know, I packed up, and for a year went back and forth between, uh, Phoenix Mesa and Shreveport, uh, investigating the case.

And, uh, we worked with several mediums along the way, but the primary, primary tool of investigation was, uh, uh, pendulum dowsing backed with a gut instinct.

Can you elaborate on that? What do you mean?