Uh, but it must've been cool to have Ed and John Tobias as, as willing participants in this project.

They were both very happy to tell me all the old stories.

Uh, in fact, a couple of times, um, there were stories I forgot to ask them to tell, and they were like, "You didn't ask me about this." I'm like, "Pl- please, please go." Um, you know, but of course, I was sitting there with a list of unbelievable, like, okay, I gotta, I gotta ask you about this, I gotta ask you about this.

I gotta, I gotta ask Dan Forden about the story of how he became the toasty guy.

Where does that story come from? So that became a video.

You know, I had never met Dan Forden.

As a musician, I was very interested in meeting Dan Forden, um, and so that was a, that was a thrill.

Yeah.