Does that concept have anything to do with Ziberberg or Ziberberg's relationship to Wagner?

He wrote about Gesamtkunstwerk indeed many times, but I think what really interested him was a double meaning of that term, or not just the meaning, but the fate of Gesamtkunstwerk as such.

In his contribution to the exhibition on the realism between the world wars, that was an exhibition in Paris in the early 80s, if I remember well, It was very interesting that all other contributions were learned texts about this or that tendency during the 30s.

And his text, his contribution was very short and was titled Hitler, the artist of the state.

So his thesis was that the most radical art, realistic art between the world wars were Hitler's.

And there he depicts or he discussed the idea of Gesamtkunstwerk in Hitler's case.

He said there that the really art of the Third Reich was not an architecture of film or literature or visual art.

Can you tell us something about this interplay between memory and forgetting in Ziberberg's work? I would say that